#hcoop Minutes

Meeting started by keverets at 2021-12-12 15:00:18+0000 (full logs).

Meeting Summary

  1. attendance (keverets, 15:00:28)
    1. INFO: bkhl (bkhl[m], 15:00:45)
    2. INFO: keverets (keverets, 15:00:55)
    3. INFO: smichel17 (smichel17, 15:01:59)
    4. INFO: layline (layline, 15:02:21)
  2. agenda (keverets, 15:05:31)
    1. INFO: https://wiki.hcoop.net/IrcMeetings/20211212 (keverets, 15:05:39)
    2. INFO: addition of "Snowdrift.coop collaboration discussion" (keverets, 15:08:25)
  3. InCorp registered agent pricing increase (keverets, 15:08:42)
    1. LINK: https://wiki.hcoop.net/HcoopBudget?highlight=%28incorp%29 (keverets, 15:13:25)
    2. LINK: https://www.incorp.com/ (smichel17, 15:18:13)
    3. INFO: https://www.incorp.com/ lists "$129/year* Registered Agent Service" and "*As low as $87/year in the 50 US and DC with purchase of multi-year service." (keverets, 15:19:14)
    4. INFO: no more detailed information without logging in (keverets, 15:19:40)
    5. INFO: vote: prepay for 5 years of InCorp Registered Agent Service, after contacting them to explore additional discount for paying in advance (keverets, 15:21:34)
    6. INFO: second (bkhl[m], 15:22:06)
    7. INFO: +1 (keverets, 15:22:15)
    8. INFO: +1 (bkhl[m], 15:22:21)
    9. INFO: +1 (layline, 15:22:36)
  4. Plan/timeline for handling delinquent members (keverets, 15:23:44)
    1. INFO: https://members.hcoop.net/portal/money shows 14 members in negative balance, 3 of which are more than 6 months past due (keverets, 15:24:12)
    2. ACTION: unknown_lamer to continue his stated actions in the meeting page (ping a few more people manually) (keverets, 15:28:06)
    3. INFO: "Dues reminders did not go out correctly for two months"; will revisit if similar disruptions reoccur (keverets, 15:28:40)
  5. mlton package update (keverets, 15:28:47)
    1. INFO: "with pronovic gone this is never getting done (unless another debian developer is in the coop and wants to help) and we'll just have to build mlton manually again or build a custom package (which I had issues with and gave up on at some point)" (keverets, 15:29:49)
    2. INFO: previous discussion at https://hcoop.net/board/meetings/2021/hcoop.2021-04-17-14.02.log.html (keverets, 15:31:46)
    3. INFO: https://packages.debian.org/sid/mlton (keverets, 15:33:20)
    4. INFO: not available in Debian stable or testing (keverets, 15:34:01)
    5. INFO: mlton only stretch(oldoldstable) and sid(unstable) both at 20130715-3, though mlton-compiler version 20180207-1 is in sid (keverets, 15:35:47)
    6. ACTION: keverets to follow up with unknown_lamer about next actions for mlton (keverets, 15:38:55)
  6. System administration support (keverets, 15:39:02)
    1. INFO: https://wiki.hcoop.net/TaskDistribution (keverets, 15:41:14)
    2. INFO: seems out-of-date --^ (keverets, 15:41:31)
    3. ACTION: smichel17 to engage unknown_lamer and other system administrators to get access and contribute (keverets, 15:48:52)
  7. Snowdrift.coop collaboration discussion (keverets, 15:50:30)
    1. INFO: Last week, Aaron (Snowdrift.coop cofounder) and I had a conversation with a coop consultant (who also happens to be our lawyer; long story short, she's an aligned person and we're paying for her time-as-a-lawyer and bartering for time-as-a-coop-consultant). One of the insights that came out of that discussion is that Snowdrift.coop and hcoop both occupy a niche that's otherwise pretty empty: the intersection between the cooperative and so (smichel17, 15:51:45)
    2. INFO: Relatedly, Snowdrift.coop has recently been doing some soul-searching (err, metaphorically) to try and figure out why the heck we haven't been able to get ourselves to launch yet, 8 years after the project was started. One of the things we've identified is a lack of skills: organizational (while we all like cooperative ideals, we don't have a ton of experience actually running co-ops) and technical. (smichel17, 15:52:01)
    3. INFO: On the other hand, hcoop has people with those skills (particularly technical), but most of our problems are related to not having the time to do things; in our capitalist society, time == money… which, of course, is exactly the problem Snowdrift.coop is looking to solve (funding people to work on FLO stuff) (smichel17, 15:53:06)
    4. INFO: For a long time, I've had the opinion that we're aligned orgs and maybe someday we could do something together. But this recent conversation really just "clicked" *how* similar the space we occupy is, and that each org actually might be well-positioned to help solve the other's problems. (smichel17, 15:54:48)
    5. INFO: I'm not sure what that collaboration might look like, but I think it's worth talking about (smichel17, 15:55:04)
    6. INFO: general discussion of potential interaction, details will be in meeting full logs. Discussion will continue post-board meeting (keverets, 16:14:14)
Meeting ended at 2021-12-12 16:16:16+0000 (full logs).

Attendees

  1. bkhl[m] - 15 lines
  2. hcoop-meetbot - 5 lines
  3. keverets - 96 lines
  4. layline - 6 lines
  5. smichel17 - 53 lines

Action Items

  1. unknown_lamer to continue his stated actions in the meeting page (ping a few more people manually)
  2. keverets to follow up with unknown_lamer about next actions for mlton
  3. smichel17 to engage unknown_lamer and other system administrators to get access and contribute

Action Items by Attendee

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