23:00:21 <keverets> #startmeeting 23:00:25 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Meeting started at 2024-04-29T23:00+0000 23:00:35 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Current chairs: keverets 23:00:41 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting 23:00:48 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ 23:01:22 <keverets> #topic Roll Call 23:01:27 <keverets> #here keverets 23:01:30 <smichel17> #here smichel17 23:01:34 <robin> #here robin 23:02:17 <keverets> I sent a few messages via signal to rvbc, but no response. And unknown_lamer is not present, so assuming it will just be us 23:02:22 <keverets> #topic Agenda 23:02:26 <keverets> #info Elect officers 23:02:32 <keverets> any other agenda items? 23:03:17 <smichel17> I could give a brief financial update, and there's a number of members we should probably vote to freeze or kick. 23:03:29 <keverets> ok, we can add that 23:03:35 <keverets> #info financial update 23:03:42 <keverets> #info delinquent member vote 23:03:46 <keverets> any others? 23:04:40 <keverets> ok, can add any others after 23:04:47 <keverets> #topic Elect Officers 23:05:15 <keverets> my suggestion: smichel17 for president (most interest/ability in scheduling), robin for treasurer, and I go back to secretary 23:05:22 <keverets> but open to other suggestions 23:05:35 <keverets> also happy to stay on the sidelines if anyone wants to have 2 roles 23:05:43 <smichel17> I'm fine with president or treasurer 23:05:48 <keverets> and/or ? ;) 23:05:58 <keverets> robin: where's your interest? 23:06:04 <robin> i'd prefer not-treasurer although i could do it 23:06:20 <keverets> I'm still pretty certain I'm ineligible since I'm not in the US 23:06:23 <smichel17> I forget which, but there's two roles which are mutually exclusive for legal reasons 23:06:30 <robin> president and treasurer 23:06:52 <keverets> that makes sense. One is supposed to check the other 23:07:29 <robin> sorry, i misremembered, bylaws section 308: can't be both secretary and treasurer at once 23:07:35 <keverets> oh, interesting 23:07:54 <keverets> ok. so, pres+treasurer is still an option 23:07:59 <smichel17> I am not sure I'm up for the commitment of both 23:08:05 <keverets> no problem 23:08:20 <keverets> robin: prefer non-treasurer, but what would you prefer? 23:08:25 <smichel17> I don't mind helping with one if there's a particular part of treasurer duties you're averse to, robin 23:08:28 <keverets> president is an ooption 23:08:36 <smichel17> But just not responsibility at the end of the day 23:10:07 <robin> keverets, secretary > president > president+secretary 23:11:16 <keverets> ok. then my suggestion changes to: smichel17 as treasurer, robin as president, me as secretary (unless robin is ok to do both) 23:11:27 <smichel17> keverets: are you sure you're not eligible to be treasurer? 23:11:46 <keverets> smichel17: it's an assumption. Dealing with US banking from outside the US has been a hassle in the past 23:12:22 <keverets> I could give it a shot, but signatures, etc might even be a stumbling block 23:12:41 <smichel17> Also, I realized recently I've been a pretty mediocre treasurer. I was good at processing member payments in a timely manner, but missed the tasks: entering bills into the member portal system, and submitting a proposed budget in December 23:13:06 <keverets> member payments has the most direct impact on the membership (assuming bills get paid on time) 23:13:11 <smichel17> Yeah, bills are all set up to autopay 23:13:39 <keverets> smichel17: given preferences stated above, what do you suggest for roles? 23:14:04 <robin> smichel17, processing randomly-schedule requests rapidly :) it occurs to me that dealing with banks might be easier post-legal-name-change also, if we switch as unknown_lamer suggested 23:15:52 <smichel17> I'd be up to try either of these options: 23:15:58 <smichel17> 1. myself for president, keverets for treasurer, robin secretary 23:16:04 <robin> scheduled* 23:16:12 <smichel17> 2. robin president, myself treasurer, keverets secretary 23:17:05 <keverets> is there another, or selection between those 2? 23:17:28 <smichel17> I don't see another good option. I'd prefer not secretary. 23:17:32 <keverets> ok 23:17:43 <keverets> robin: between smichel17's 2 options, which do you prefer? 23:18:54 <robin> keverets, #1 23:19:37 <keverets> ok. Let's try that 23:19:45 <keverets> #nominate smichel17 president 23:19:46 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Unknown command: #nominate 23:20:14 <keverets> #info nominate smichel17 president 23:20:19 <smichel17> Let's try option 1, and if keverets has an issue filing the corporate renewal, then we switch to option 2 23:20:22 <keverets> smichel17: +1 23:20:25 <robin> sounds good 23:21:20 <keverets> not sure if it's necessary, but the usual flow is: #info nominate x for y; #info second x for y; #accepted x for y 23:21:40 <robin> #info second smichel17 for president 23:21:44 <smichel17> #accepted smichel17 for president 23:21:49 <keverets> eventually, #motion blah; #vote +1 23:22:07 <keverets> #info nominate robin for secretary 23:22:19 <smichel17> #info second robin for secretary 23:22:51 <smichel17> #accepted robin for secretary 23:22:55 <smichel17> #info nominate keverets for treasurer 23:23:04 <robin> #info second keverets for treasurer 23:23:14 <keverets> #accepted keverets for treasurer 23:23:34 <keverets> #motion smichel17 for president, robin for secretary, keverets for treasurer 23:23:35 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Voting is open 23:23:42 <smichel17> #vote +1 23:23:45 <robin> #vote +1 23:23:53 <keverets> hmm. Not sure meetbot caught those 23:23:56 <keverets> #vote +1 23:24:01 <smichel17> #vote +1 23:24:05 <robin> #vote +1 23:24:08 <keverets> #close 23:24:09 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Motion accepted: 5 in favor to 0 opposed 23:24:13 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: In favor: smichel17, robin, keverets, smichel17, robin 23:24:17 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Opposed: 23:24:37 <keverets> I guess it caught them 23:24:49 <keverets> on to the next 23:24:52 <robin> remember to vote early & often 23:25:01 <keverets> hah! 23:25:17 <smichel17> 🤣️ 23:25:21 <keverets> #topic Financial Update 23:25:24 <keverets> smichel17: you have the floor 23:25:48 <smichel17> Well, I don't have a great financial update planned, but I will gather some stuff and post it real quick right now 23:26:12 <keverets> we can postpone to next board meeting 23:26:20 <keverets> should we just go to delinquent members? 23:26:28 <smichel17> Nah real quick let me summarize 23:26:31 <keverets> ok 23:26:34 <smichel17> Our current bank account balance is $8,814.64 23:27:04 <smichel17> Around $1200 of that is member deposits 23:27:35 <smichel17> Our monthly expenses are $367.10, mostly to digitalocean 23:28:38 <keverets> ok, could be an agenda item in an upcoming meeting about increasing instance size, etc, to handle some of the performance issues 23:28:50 <keverets> or evaluating the backup/disaster recovery strategy 23:28:53 <smichel17> Our nominal monthly income is $525. However, our actual income is quite a bit lower because some ~20 members (I think) are inactive 23:28:56 <keverets> but that can wait 23:29:15 <keverets> so income exceeds expenses, which is good (no deficit) 23:29:28 <keverets> any other notes before voting on the delinquent members? 23:29:40 <smichel17> Well, once we kick inactive members, I think we'll be closer to $350/mo 23:29:45 <smichel17> So just breaking even 23:30:21 <keverets> oh, so the $525 was expected, not actual income then 23:30:27 <smichel17> Yes 23:30:35 <keverets> ok 23:31:05 <keverets> when you say ~20 members, are those that are more than 3 months in arrears? 23:31:09 <smichel17> So this is nothing urgent, but something we should discuss and plan for at our next board meeting 23:31:15 <robin> yeah 23:31:18 <keverets> or is there some other cut-off you're looking at? 23:31:39 <smichel17> I'm looking at https://members.hcoop.net/portal/money?cmd=bootworthy 23:32:06 <keverets> people with a balance of $-3 don't seem worth evicting 23:32:22 <keverets> and one has a positive balance 23:32:25 <keverets> erm 23:32:33 <smichel17> Agreed. That's 23 members, but I'm pretty sure some are just late in paying (small negative balance), while others are $200+ 23:33:10 <smichel17> There is normally a $21 deposit to have an account, refundable on leaving the coop 23:33:31 <keverets> my suggestion: those that are more than 6 months in arrears (6*7 = $42) get a notification, 2 weeks grace, then removed 23:33:49 <smichel17> I agree we don't need to kick anyone within ~$20, they're probably just forgot or a few months late, can email them and see what happens first 23:34:14 <keverets> smichel17: that doesn't sound correct... the $21 deposit usually covers 3 months of activity. Once consumed, they should be out of funds and no need to reimburse 23:34:55 <smichel17> Section 204 of bylaws https://wiki.hcoop.net/HcoopBylaws 23:35:44 <smichel17> If they're 3 months behind payments then yeah, it evens out. But technically dropping below a $21 deposit is grounds for kicking. 23:35:47 <smichel17> Again, not saying we should. 23:35:59 <keverets> " This deposit shall be returned to a member in good standing upon termination of membership, less any outstanding obligations of a member to the Corporation, as determined by the board." 23:36:08 <keverets> if they're delinquent in dues, they're not in good standing 23:36:18 <keverets> obligations are the amount they owe in dues 23:36:47 <keverets> > Section 208. The board may, by majority vote, expel any member who maintains outstanding debt to the Corporation for three consecutive months or more. This means that the member has paid less than the total dues owed to date. 23:37:05 <keverets> I'm still a fan of 6 months, but if there's a preference, we can reduce it to 3 23:37:11 <keverets> what say you, smichel17 and robin? 23:37:42 <smichel17> I think 6 is fine, especially as long as they're not putting a strain on coop resources. 23:37:54 <keverets> robin: ? 23:38:51 <robin> i like six months for ordinary members (with the option to be more stringent for more resource-consuming members if needed) 23:39:15 <smichel17> I believe the way to read the portal is that 6 months delinquent corresponds to -$21 balance 23:40:00 <smichel17> Because the balance includes the deposit, but conceptually the deposit is a separate line item 23:40:59 <keverets> #motion notify members that are 6 months delinquent (~17) of impending termination, and if they don't pay dues to get in good standing within 2 weeks, be expelled 23:41:00 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Voting is open 23:41:24 <keverets> #vote +1 23:41:32 <robin> #vote +1 23:42:02 <smichel17> I will note that kzootech is one of those ~17 members, so that might leave us down a board member 23:42:07 <keverets> erm 23:42:10 <keverets> hrm 23:42:31 <keverets> interesting note 23:42:34 <robin> and docelic 23:42:47 <smichel17> docelic isn't on the board any more, though 23:43:09 <smichel17> But yeah, we could make exceptions for longtime members (read: try harder to make contact) 23:43:13 <robin> as sysadmin, i mean, unless i missed a reshuffle 23:43:20 <robin> yeah 23:43:29 <smichel17> Oh, right 23:43:32 <keverets> ok, will do what we can to contact people 23:43:40 <keverets> extend the utmost contact where possible 23:44:04 <smichel17> #vote +1 23:44:07 <keverets> #close 23:44:08 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Motion accepted: 3 in favor to 0 opposed 23:44:12 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: In favor: keverets, robin, smichel17 23:44:17 <hcoop-meetbot> keverets: Opposed: 23:44:30 <keverets> any last agenda items? 23:45:14 <smichel17> Want to tentatively schedule all 4 board meetings for the year? 23:45:19 <keverets> go for it 23:45:24 <keverets> but after this meeting 23:45:28 <keverets> let's just close, and go on 23:45:55 <smichel17> sure 23:46:07 <keverets> robin: anything else before close? 23:46:31 <robin> keverets, nothing more i can think of 23:46:40 <keverets> #endmeeting